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The Highland Clearances the sequal, the sequal is always worse thyan the original, see sites below at bottom of page for even better pages.
I have a better site on the Highland Clearances for there go to http://www.lonympics.co.uk/Highland Clearances.htm
But this site is on the subject, some random facts on the subject
Here is a list of some villages destroyed or seriously harnmed by the clearances,
Knoydart in 1853 many villages
Strathcarron
Strath of Kildonan
Glen Loth
Strathnaver
Loch Quoich
Dunvegan
Loch Leven to Loch Arkaig.
Sutherland across many areas
Rum
Skye had many evcitions,
And there were other places.
there were afew violence deaths, in fighting but not many,
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Other new annoying right wing claims, are that the Highland Clearances were ok,. as apparently enclosures and lowland clearances also occurred, but that does not make it ok, anymore, than executing somebody is ok, if somebody else did it. Others say people should not talk about it as it is "victim culture". This is terrible, surely we should remember the victims, surely to not do so, is a shame, on their's and your own memory. Anyhow all nations do that. All nations do that, they talk about bad stuff that happened to them, i.e Londoners about the Blitz, the US about the war of seccession, and Royalists in Britain, about Royals being executed. and at least on this occasion it is not purely a nationaltistic thing, It is a important social thing., Instead of history education being a lie, that tells us that all are past monarchs and aristocratic rulers were purely good in their Lord of the Flies style ruling mechanism, . while saying that all other forms of dictatorship are bad. Surely it is right to learn all forms of dictatorship even aristocratic was bad. That nobody should rule as a ruling dominant race. That we need elections, and democracy. If we did not do Highland Clearances as education, history would just be the endless lie, that the only bad in society is what foreigners do. as it would just talk of wars, between lands, or it would be how this king just did good, and that king too, when both just as in the HC, were aiming largely for their finincial rewards. The Highland Clearances, is true, and the biggest event to have happened IN Scotland in the past 200 years, and so if there is such a thing as Scottish history it should be studied. And a nation that does not study it's history, is a nation that forgets allot of good important lessons. Really they do not want to talk of the Clearances, as they know it puts elitist rule in a bad light, we should talk of the bad things that occurred as they shows what is wrong, and the HC is a more interesting way than many things that could also show that, so important that way, and has had much energy put into it, some may say the Clearance people evicted were all socialists, they are so extreme, in defending elitism, but that is unfair, as they were people, of many ways, I always see from some sources a feeling the Clearances should be dismissed, and a view that a neutral view is to say lets listen to the perpetrators more, which is unfair , and this victioms, thing all lands do that, or stuff like that like rthe US about the Alamo, Britain about Dunkirk, and England about the Armada, Scotland about Wallace, America once about Pearl Harbour, now about 9 11, and its more you can realise more from this, and all can, we should remember the good and the bad that happened to our lands, the lessons, for a good democratic, non dictatorial society, and more, i.e see how most history books dnever say dictatorial aristocrtatic rule was bad, even though when you look at all the revolts, many had problems, with it, even in a society where people were taught to support the system, not a open democratic society, nut one where you were supposed to support the elite, and it was a bad society, and it is very important we realise this, 100s of Websites http://www.lonympics.co.uk/
The last statement I shall say on this subject is this. So many right wingers, seem to think, that taking a view on the Clearances, which is not in league with the idea, that it was not that bad, is "Simplistic". They say that about allot of things. They say people who say that the Spanish left were right and tjhe FRanco side, wrong, just as Franco, killed far more, and caused the war and had large famines, and executions after the war, and supported the Nazis, are simplistic. The right always say, when the facts clearly support the left wing view, that it is simplistic to support the left wing view. Lets think about this, during the Russian Cicilv war, the Communists, and the right wing both executed masses of people. But to say you support the anti Communist side, as of it's terrible massacres, does not make you a simplistic idiot who does not know what he is talking about. Just so, the same for the Spanish Civil, war, one of the sides was undoubtably more brutal. The only historians, who say both were as bad eachother, for the Spanish Civil war, are people who just deliberatly do not look at the facts properly. I.E they read account by the Fascist regime, as if they were scientificly correct. Or they read books, by right wingers, who are under the apprehenions, that the Spanish Republican, regime, that was elected by the Spanish people, was somehow a pawn, of Stalin. Even though Stalin actually tried to attack elements within that group. At the same time, these people, claim just to show how cult style their warped beliefs are, that apparently not only was Stalin, a great aid, to the Spanish Republic, and cvirtually it's puppeteer, but that he also gave no help, and did not support, the Spanish Republic, and that these supposed puppets of Stalin, did not want his, help, and did not really want to be associated with him, and were not puppets of him, at all. so as to make Spanish Republicans, oppose Stalin. This is typical right wing psycho, stuff. Like how right wingers say to some groups, that left wingers hate them, as they are linked to certain groups, and then to that group, they say the same to them, saying the left hate them as they are linked to some other group. When the left are for love and equality, and the right almost always run elections on hate.
Why on Earth, can these people, just not accept the Clearances were bad. They say it is naive, or simplistic to say that. But it was bad. Just like the Ukranian Famine, Lets face it, it may have had benefits, that famine, like Communising land, after all their have been no famines in the Ukraine after the 1930s, other than those caused by World Wr Two, Or China, Communisation, too, large famines were regular before the Great Leap Forward, in China. but are non existant now. But would it not be just crazy, even for a left winger like me, to regard the Great Leap Forward, and the famine in Communisations, as anything other than great left wing disasters. Just like World WAr One or King Leopold, It would not be naive, to say they were bad things, ANd it is deliberatly misleading, psychopathic, and evil, to claim it is naive to claim the Clearances were not bad. It would be very naivem, to not realise their game, It is to do the typical useless right wing bias in history, Of never stating anything bad, monarchy, capitalism, feudalism, or such did. Even though any body with ahlf a barin, knows we need to know they have done abd things at times, as they are dictatoral ideals, Just like Communism. To not say so, is a terrible mistake in history teaching, as it encourages inequality, and poverty, and mistakes. The people who write these Clearances denier books, are normally cult anti-Marxists, who believe anything remotely left wing, is Marxist, and believe that it is right to oppose it, just as it is slightly left wing, This Pinochet, Franco, style way of thinking, can ONLY lead, to bad. If you believe everything left wing is bad, you are in league with those who supported the worst people, just as they was anti -communist, or terrible murderous dictators, who claim all their opposition is Communist. It is totally unlike the belief system of a functioning democracy. The people who deny the Clearances, are deffinately like Nazis, as they do not care what happened to the people in the Clearances, their goal is to say it was not bad. The Highland Clearances, is proven by history. And to deny it is just like all Holocaust denial, and is done. The Clearabnces, is a fascinating subject that is a important part of our history, it is right in a intersting way, of showing why democarcy is right, as all other ways, like saying how sewage works, have improved, or how wars are lesser, or maluntrition is down, or how even Britain became a democarcy, are just far too dull, and unglamourous, This lesson to us, it is important for citizenship, a dramatic, intersting way to learn how democarcy, not right wing anti Communist democarcy, but democarcy, is right. Just like how Nazi Germany does that subject too, But we need somethinmg which telle us, this, via our own soil, and own land, That is the Highland Clearances, Scotland has a rare advantage over the world in this, Most lands just have not seen their left find a exiting subject to tell us, how compasionate democarcy is right, As the history books, for so long hide the truth on Tsarist or Royal massacres, But we have one out in the open, a fact which tells us democarcy is right, and speak to people, in real ways, If you do not find the Clearances, interesting, then you just are somebody who has no heart, and no humanity, and can not be explained, to about how democracy is right. The clearances were a tradgedy like so many tradgedies, for the world. But Scotland's people's historians, and people's writers, and sons of the soil blah blah, have written this tale down, so we can know the truth,.
History lessons, should not be about how foreigners are war mongers, as some history lessons aim to be, yes we need some stuff, which makes us proud of our nation, and how we have won wars, but we also need civic democarcy propaganda, as if we do not, we lose allot,. History lessons should also not just be anti left wing pro feudal establishment rubbish, when so many people of those times, the ancestors of most of us, probabaly even of feudal, and kings, today, were dead against the system rioting, and fighting against constant humilations, saying how they had to doth their cap, to horrible murdserous lords, and scumbags, We need a real history, that has these key important stories, We need to be taught the dull stuff too, But the Clearances, is a major important resource to tell, And must be taufgght for ever. Just like how we tell the same stories abouyt Bannockburn, and such, for as long as possible, to make us proud to be Scottish, we need to remeber the story of the clearances, as a memory of how democarcy is the best way, and not some right wing democracy, which just elects rightuist loonies, as of state propaganda histiry lessons, enver telling us bad things right wingers did, But a honest one, that tells us how they did do bad at times, Not the crappy right wing history, that never mentions bad tjings by right wingers, like kings, but always condemns every revolution for minor acts. Liek the crappy history that talks of foreign left wingers massacres, of leaders that had nothiong to do with Britain, but do not talk of massacres by hate inspired fascvist oppressors who massacred British people. WE need a honest histiory that mentions the Clearances, that hopefully will be the last of the great disasters, to have faced the Scottish people, in Scotland, other than the far lesser bombing campaigns and depressions that killed very few comparitevly, The Clearances, was the last major disaster in Scottish history, and must be taught, or our history is a lie, that ignores the major last event in Scottish history, (The industrial revolution was an era, not an event), The Clearances were an event,k as they were a similar plan, and of such few moves to do,
I read some claim you should not be Corruscating, or have opinions on the Clearances, I think this is just a condemnation of some's writing style, A surely all history's have opinions. Or are just biased in how they choose to belive that the view they takle is just right, And it is never right just to claim that all other people in the debate are on one extreme or another and you are senseible, and right,
And to say it is simple to say the Clearances werwe wrong, is terrible too, just imagine someone said it was simple to to condemn Communisation, as of this I will do a site saying how Soviet Communism, was better than the Tsar era, as that is that, no doubt these "it is simple" people will claim it is not simple to have their view, that fascist monarchy running the universe is right, or that constitutional monarchy is always rightm,
Taht annoying right wing view, that all other people are bigots fopr not agreeing with them and have isms, while they do too, just liek Hindusim, Communism, Buddhism etc,
This was a statement on the so called enclopedia Wikipedia,
It said, it is simplistic as Noble claims, to paint the Clearances as brutal, and simplistic, and corruscating, and that most Clearance Landowners were kind,
I said, this statement is sweeping, and nonsenseical, and fascist and bigoted,
I said it was never kind to evict people, anymore tnhan it was kind to evict people from anywhere else, and I said, the rest in the paragpag above, that this patronising facist view is used by rightists in ever spehere of history, to claim that left wingers are bad simplistiocly but claim anuything bad right wingers did is more complicated than the facts suggest, The right will never realise what they did was evil, in the clearances, and it is a sign of how unbeliebaley psycjpoathic they arem, how they forget the evil they did, and glorify the demonic acts they do,
The Worst right wingers are those who claim they are"unbiased" while any left winger including one they are burning in a death camp is a dangerously biased person who just can not realise that the man killing them is open minded as he belivesd what he belives and he thinks it is right, actually the clearance deniers are biased, as too, those who wish for a dim account that claims the Clearances were nice event, or a event that was minor, or that the evicters were nice they were not, and even if they were trying to be nice, so was Communisationm, but that can not atone for it's killings or those in the Clearances,
The final thing I will say is this, somebody claimed that it is a balanced view to say there was some GOOD that came out of the clearanmces, This is silly, surely it is not balanced, As to say so, is like saying every cloud has a silver lining, so lets be balanced and say some good comes out of all disasters. The fact is these rightists never accept good came out of things they oppose, but pretend that a disaster needs the good to be talked of as much as bad. They will always use such weasel words, to make it seem like we are bigots for not agreeing with them But they are bigots as they just think that you have to belive all their group or their favourite classes did was good, or that people they oppose are always wrong. That they can not accept the Clearances were bad, just like any other form of disasster, you may say there was good that came out of every natural disaster ever, But in the whole they were bad, The arrogance of claiming tgheir view is balanced is terrible, and sad, we need to accept it was bad what happened in the Clearances. to not do so, is morally wrong, and to say otherwise is the typical job, of the right, It was wrong, and to say otherwise is bad. The fact they have lost the debate is how they then cvlaim "freedom of speech" this is wrong. The typical right wing act of today is to hold a unfair posistion that does not care for large groups of people, then when they lose the debate after throwing horrible insults they say freedom of speech, they were allowed to speak anyway, but somehow think the fact they have the right to free speech is all that matters. They are the most disdainful people there are, and give nobody they dissagree with the time of day, they hate entire nationalities or races, for fun, then claim it was only a joke, You then accept this, and accept it was JUST A JOKE, Then they carry on with exactly the same statements as if nobody has said anything to condemn these views before, The right wing act like jokers half the time. And to use the argument freedom of speech shows they have lost. As it shows they can not rely on the bad views they have, so need to rely on something which has nothing to do with the debate, so they can not win the debate. I will not accept that just as they are saying it, that means we should accept it. It would be dangerous for us to not know the Clearances were bad, just as if we belived Bannockburn never happened, or that aliens run the Chinese government, as this important lesson that we need democarcy, and freeddom and equality is needed. The people who oppose this, do not mind mass inequality and horrificness. And that is why we must argue so they accept the fair and true way, just like their is a consesnse that Henry the eight did acually exist, we should also accept the Higghland Clearances did happen, bad stuff did happen, their were bad morals, by the enactors, and we should take pride that we remember that the sufferers, are remembered not for jingoism, but for good and justice. Other good books about the Clearances, include those by James Hunter. Who says that the Highlands had its recent eceonomic growth partl;y as of state help, partly as socialists and leftists and one nation tories and liberals realised the Clearanmces and Culloden was bad, and felt the Highlands needed state help. Purely as good people said the Clearanmces were bad and they need to be atoned for. So extreme capitalism, wereterrible for the Highland People, and state help brilliant. To say the Highland Clearances is bad is a simplistic thing to say, is like saying the Blitz was not bad, and it is simpl;itci to say so, If we take the views of the late 18thC upper class as gospel,. we will not have the considerations of the views of the people of the 2000s, we will not have the views of equality supporting people, but terrifying snobs, of feudal anti one man one votepeople, of evil views, They claim our view is politically bias, when their view is right wing supermicist trash that claims any left wing view should and must be ignored, and they claim a balanced view is one that says left wing views can never be right, lets see in the 1830s there was famine in the Highlands and 1840s, after much of the clearances had been done, whereas in the borders, or Wales where no clearances had been done in a real sense that century there was no famine, so the clearances did not help the Highlands.
Not all disasters have bad and good, and it is wrong to say that a balanced view looks at the good and bad from it, yes most disasters will have good sides, i,.e volcanoes have types of soil produced which can be good, but that does not mske them right, and its the same for the H C.
The classic rightist crap is to say freedom of speech, after they have been mocking and killing us, after we win the argument they say this, this shows how low they have done, but if the only defence of their view is that they have nothing worthwhile to say and should not be so listened to,
Scots Irish people have a lower average LE than Scotland. as the poorest of Europeans in USA. The big highland clearance was bad.
So when we think of the , must remember, for the truth is essential, and vital.
The fact they think their view is balanced and others unbalanced is a insult to the truth and shows how they are stuill pschos and arrogant
all is ideaoligical even law,
Loads of right wingers say, the left should not have a view, like when a racist says how dare you not be open minded to racism. or the Holocaust, Surely the act is that defeats the whole point in being open minded, What is the point in being open minded to hatred, or to not being open minded, surely there are not absolutes, we need freedom, equality and liberty and we can not have that with hatred, The fact there is good and bad, and to deny that is wrong, and I have a right to tell the truth not give out no morals views.
A last thing to say is this, some say the last recourse of a scounderl is patriotism, i say it is to say free speech, you say oemthing horrible then say free speech, surely very few people, other than Islamists and Nazi Terrorists are arrested for what they say, so to say free speech is obvious, surely free speech is not a staement that means your hurtful views can not be condemmed,
I.E if you are being tortured in Hifghland Lord;'s torture chamber, and are in agonisibg pain, i am sure these right wing loonies, would tell you off for screaming in agony saying how dare you condemn the Lord for telling his staff for torturing you, why can't we have less conformity, and allow mass murder these right wing pro high land clearances nazis would say. But if you even slightly hurt their tax take apparently world war 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 and 10 have all started the whole world is goinbg m,ad and blah blah freedom stops and they go crazy,
Long live equality freedom, and fraternity, down with the bullies who support the clearances and bullying holocasut denier view that it does not matter, and the view it is ok to hurt insult and maim, a new right wing loony view is to say there should not be conformity in view, but funny how they do not say that when talking about views they do not have, or things which are not about protecting teh interests of the right believing themselves to be a master race who never did bad to anybody when they casued excruciating misery, funny how conformity is not a problem in any other issue, funny how only the Higjhlaand clearances apparently needs debate of was it good or bad, nothing else seems to in the nazis minds, if they were this unconformist they would have died of not deciding if they should eat ever or not, at breaskfast time, the people who deny the clearances are self proclaimed master race style nazis, and like the nazis who fought for people they thought were superior as a race to them as they felt they would then be part of it,
Really there is no debate the clearances were bad, they were big, they were terrible it is not sensible to deny them or any other evil or event, it is senseibvle to learn its lessons, from a position of the truth not a position of anti democartic master race nazi scum views,
These people do not debate if bad things were bad if their allies did not comitt them, it is just devilish bias, on their part, to cover up a undoubted evil, they dod not want these debates say on other bad things like earthquakes, or other dissasters, we just know they were bad, full stop, any good that comes out of such, is not the matter, as those things could have happened anyway, etc etc, it is pure terrifying bias on their part,
Some also claim that any left wing view is political and any right wing one is just right, i.e a left winger expressing a view of some terrible event and saying this should influence our politiocal understanding is called political, but every right winger mashes endless politics into their stuff, mixing in things which they say were bad about the left into stuff which has nothing to do with the subject we should let history inform the political debate, to help the world, and to not is ignorant and wrong,
Another new nazi idea is to claim it is intolerant to dissagree with nazis i.e if you are being tortured by a nazi you are intolerent for sayibng you do not want him to ever torture you, this is a lie, it is not intolerant to have your own views, and to dissagree with other people, and to argue for a situation where we all agree with you,. as that is essentially what everybody is trying to do blah blah blah
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